I can imagine a possible society in which I’d support such a ban — but it would be a society with far fewer and way less pressing problems than the UK has today! People may need a smoke in the coming years! (I say that as a fellow anti-smoker.)
My first impression is that this is an overreaction. Most countries ban sale of alcohol and tobacco to minors. That's 'age-based discrimination' already.
It also already requires the seller to check a confirmed ID (with DOB).
A birth *cohort* ban is mechanically identical as far as I can see (seller must check ID with DOB; this time the seller actually has less mental arithmetic to do because the comparison date is constant). So this isn't giving the govt any new capabilities to be abused later (important check!) or making anything newly onerous (purchase of cigs already requires DOB IIUC).
It's a slightly novel mechanism. I'd guess they considered a total ban based on the first- and second-hand health effects, noted this would be overly harsh for existing addicts, didn't want the faff (or intrusion!) of an alternative legal patch like 'medically licensed tobacco user', and went with this approach.
Re 'never get the opportunity to vote...', of course they will, once they're older, as with all laws which apply to minors.
If smoking rates are trending to zero, it's unlikely to create a black market, and unlikely to produce onerous requirements on many/any people.
Tell me you have no understanding of people or governing without telling me you have zero understanding of people and governing.
This is insane. Black market tobacco. Well, theres good news for Kentucky, Virginia, and North Carolina. We'll be able to make money from growing tobacco again. Havent since the 90s.
"Sharpen them tommyhawks and spears boys, were back in business!" (Spits tobacco juice.)
The leaders are completely disconnected from the reality of those that they are deciding for.. Well, today they are, at least.
I saw it some countries: the state takes care of the citizens because they never quite grow up and the citizens never fully grow up because they live in Plato's cave and see no value in changing. Catch 22, I've just started reading Popper on it last week. "Logic of scientific Discovery" had great impact on my life since I've read it around 2000s
It is unfortunately common that states use dubious legal rational to enforce a supposed public good and thankfully it doesn't always end in slippery slopes though I suspect social media bans and other non sense could be next. A lack of written constitution has always been a bit of an issue for the UK in that regard.
Just recently, I have seen young Brits using cannabis, alcohol and other substances. I think they will laugh at the idea of tobacco sales being restricted in this way. It's yet another policy that suggests that people in power neither know nor care what Britain is like in reality, which explains a lot.
I can imagine a possible society in which I’d support such a ban — but it would be a society with far fewer and way less pressing problems than the UK has today! People may need a smoke in the coming years! (I say that as a fellow anti-smoker.)
My first impression is that this is an overreaction. Most countries ban sale of alcohol and tobacco to minors. That's 'age-based discrimination' already.
It also already requires the seller to check a confirmed ID (with DOB).
A birth *cohort* ban is mechanically identical as far as I can see (seller must check ID with DOB; this time the seller actually has less mental arithmetic to do because the comparison date is constant). So this isn't giving the govt any new capabilities to be abused later (important check!) or making anything newly onerous (purchase of cigs already requires DOB IIUC).
It's a slightly novel mechanism. I'd guess they considered a total ban based on the first- and second-hand health effects, noted this would be overly harsh for existing addicts, didn't want the faff (or intrusion!) of an alternative legal patch like 'medically licensed tobacco user', and went with this approach.
Re 'never get the opportunity to vote...', of course they will, once they're older, as with all laws which apply to minors.
If smoking rates are trending to zero, it's unlikely to create a black market, and unlikely to produce onerous requirements on many/any people.
No, it is not insane in any sense.
Tell me you have no understanding of people or governing without telling me you have zero understanding of people and governing.
This is insane. Black market tobacco. Well, theres good news for Kentucky, Virginia, and North Carolina. We'll be able to make money from growing tobacco again. Havent since the 90s.
"Sharpen them tommyhawks and spears boys, were back in business!" (Spits tobacco juice.)
The leaders are completely disconnected from the reality of those that they are deciding for.. Well, today they are, at least.
I saw it some countries: the state takes care of the citizens because they never quite grow up and the citizens never fully grow up because they live in Plato's cave and see no value in changing. Catch 22, I've just started reading Popper on it last week. "Logic of scientific Discovery" had great impact on my life since I've read it around 2000s
We have normalised prohibition on experiencing thousands of drugs, so this is just more of the same.
It’s a very different style of law making, as my post explains.
With respect to age discrimination yes
It is unfortunately common that states use dubious legal rational to enforce a supposed public good and thankfully it doesn't always end in slippery slopes though I suspect social media bans and other non sense could be next. A lack of written constitution has always been a bit of an issue for the UK in that regard.
Just recently, I have seen young Brits using cannabis, alcohol and other substances. I think they will laugh at the idea of tobacco sales being restricted in this way. It's yet another policy that suggests that people in power neither know nor care what Britain is like in reality, which explains a lot.