@livboeree That's actually a BRILLIANT Idea with exponential layers of profit potential for the social media platforms. Because, 'taxing' the bots would not only be an extra revenue source, and decrease the spam bots, but it would also increase verifiable human interactions that give advertisers reassurance their budgets are not wasted on fraudulent ad traffic. Not to mention your whole point for an overall better UX.
Your point is valid in some extent. But. Whaf if an organization alike cambridge analytica was driven fed by an army of bots financed anonymously by tycoons like musk bezos or gates through crypto on x, facebook etc.
You would get a feedback loop through iteration where the whole algorithm would feed itself and the market a precise agenda.
There is always white & black hats.
I think The only thing that will serve as a human verification process in a relatively near future is either eye scan or some kind DNA test. Then you'll go with big brother, and I'll reply, leave both the bots and humans alone or the urge of a verying process will lead to a totalitarian state.
To your point, I guess there's no "Perfect Solution", however, the ultra rich can afford anything they want no matter what and they're not necessarily the problem of the discussion. The main goals are to reward the real people for being verified, and to discourage spam bots and scammers.
Your point is interesting, but I believe that no matter how you frame or tweak the pros and cons of verification incentives, the outcome will always inevitably be the same: enslavement—economically, socially, and potentially even physically.
If my rights are going to be limited—or if I’m going to be enslaved—I’d rather it be for the right cause and the right organization.
If you don’t have to buy the product, you are the product.
Here’s my personal take on investing in the social media space:
I’m verified on X and I subscribe to Elon and Liv—not because I expect direct personal gain, but because I believe in the leverage and long-term impact of this contribution. To me, it’s the best bang for my buck.
This kind of investment is almost philanthropic as I don’t get immediate ROI, but I trust they’re among the few truly pushing for positive change and helping preserve our freedom across all dimensions—economic, social, and beyond.
So if you’re going to pay for verification or give your money to someone in the social media sphere, at least don’t fund the wrong side—Gates, Zuck, Rothschild, and the like.
I still hope there will always be a way to remain anonymous in the future. But I don’t believe democracy will prevail in the long run—and I think the real battleground will be on social medias.
And if staying anonymous becomes impossible, then at the very least, I’ll choose who I pledge my allegiance to.
I firmly agree with you about the current state of tech, specifically,"if you don't pay for the product then you are the product", especially in AI chat products.
However, ZK Proof, or (Zero Knowledge Proof), in web3 is a real and viable offering. (Although with some trade-off caveats).
perfect diagnosis but the proposed solution exclusively incentivizes those willing to pay thus comments become ads and the site will optimize for this.
I love this. Yes. The web3 tech stack is ready for this. Some people said that the Worldcoin orb will solve this but I don't want to sell my eyes to Sam Altman. So, the only solution is to have a protocol that manages to track and prove everyone's history without reveling too much details if not necessary. A decentralized social-credit system...
My team is working exactly on that but we haven't launched yet. We are working on the whitepaper but we have some articles with more details you can check Liv
Awesome, I'm going to follow you and check out your articles at your link. I'm working on a web3 solution also to fight cybercrime and it's naturally intertwined with ZK Proof.
yeah this is rad! and like super straightforward. somehow doesn't seem likely though... would companies like X be disincentivized to actually implement this?
AI does not Suffer, AI does not feel pain, AI is a tool, not a replacement of consciousness.
If AI has the capability to expose you, it must also has the capability to hide you, and there will most likely be a cost to both situations.
We often speak about the bad bots, but what if there were some that do good, regardless of the anonymity concept.
If the war between Good and Evil really exists, then so does a end state of a fully totalitarian controlled world or a fully freedom based one, and thus, regardless of the AI contribution in the mix.
Cognitive intelligence is now indeed not worth much on a human perspective, but emotional and social intelligences will always prevail on a consciousness stand-point.
Must be boring as fuck knowing everything and not feeling anything.
But yeah, We are not in 1984 anymore.
I mention it again, if alien life is flourishing in the backstage, which it has too, there must be something we do not grasp about AI and conscioussness.
There is and there will always be good guys and bad guys and I'm not worried about AI a single second.
Many countries have nuclear weapons technology, yet we are still alive, same goes for AI.
@livboeree That's actually a BRILLIANT Idea with exponential layers of profit potential for the social media platforms. Because, 'taxing' the bots would not only be an extra revenue source, and decrease the spam bots, but it would also increase verifiable human interactions that give advertisers reassurance their budgets are not wasted on fraudulent ad traffic. Not to mention your whole point for an overall better UX.
Your point is valid in some extent. But. Whaf if an organization alike cambridge analytica was driven fed by an army of bots financed anonymously by tycoons like musk bezos or gates through crypto on x, facebook etc.
You would get a feedback loop through iteration where the whole algorithm would feed itself and the market a precise agenda.
There is always white & black hats.
I think The only thing that will serve as a human verification process in a relatively near future is either eye scan or some kind DNA test. Then you'll go with big brother, and I'll reply, leave both the bots and humans alone or the urge of a verying process will lead to a totalitarian state.
To your point, I guess there's no "Perfect Solution", however, the ultra rich can afford anything they want no matter what and they're not necessarily the problem of the discussion. The main goals are to reward the real people for being verified, and to discourage spam bots and scammers.
Your point is interesting, but I believe that no matter how you frame or tweak the pros and cons of verification incentives, the outcome will always inevitably be the same: enslavement—economically, socially, and potentially even physically.
If my rights are going to be limited—or if I’m going to be enslaved—I’d rather it be for the right cause and the right organization.
If you don’t have to buy the product, you are the product.
Here’s my personal take on investing in the social media space:
I’m verified on X and I subscribe to Elon and Liv—not because I expect direct personal gain, but because I believe in the leverage and long-term impact of this contribution. To me, it’s the best bang for my buck.
This kind of investment is almost philanthropic as I don’t get immediate ROI, but I trust they’re among the few truly pushing for positive change and helping preserve our freedom across all dimensions—economic, social, and beyond.
So if you’re going to pay for verification or give your money to someone in the social media sphere, at least don’t fund the wrong side—Gates, Zuck, Rothschild, and the like.
I still hope there will always be a way to remain anonymous in the future. But I don’t believe democracy will prevail in the long run—and I think the real battleground will be on social medias.
And if staying anonymous becomes impossible, then at the very least, I’ll choose who I pledge my allegiance to.
I firmly agree with you about the current state of tech, specifically,"if you don't pay for the product then you are the product", especially in AI chat products.
However, ZK Proof, or (Zero Knowledge Proof), in web3 is a real and viable offering. (Although with some trade-off caveats).
perfect diagnosis but the proposed solution exclusively incentivizes those willing to pay thus comments become ads and the site will optimize for this.
See my message above to @Edouard April because my answer applies to both of you.
I love this. Yes. The web3 tech stack is ready for this. Some people said that the Worldcoin orb will solve this but I don't want to sell my eyes to Sam Altman. So, the only solution is to have a protocol that manages to track and prove everyone's history without reveling too much details if not necessary. A decentralized social-credit system...
My team is working exactly on that but we haven't launched yet. We are working on the whitepaper but we have some articles with more details you can check Liv
societyprotocol(dot)io
Awesome, I'm going to follow you and check out your articles at your link. I'm working on a web3 solution also to fight cybercrime and it's naturally intertwined with ZK Proof.
you make some excellent points. Thanks for taking on the subject.
LINKED- sha-la-al-Din him say "self-referential LLM hallucinations" prefer Lysericaciddiethylamine meself
up or down the revolving rabbit hole
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yeah this is rad! and like super straightforward. somehow doesn't seem likely though... would companies like X be disincentivized to actually implement this?
AI does not Suffer, AI does not feel pain, AI is a tool, not a replacement of consciousness.
If AI has the capability to expose you, it must also has the capability to hide you, and there will most likely be a cost to both situations.
We often speak about the bad bots, but what if there were some that do good, regardless of the anonymity concept.
If the war between Good and Evil really exists, then so does a end state of a fully totalitarian controlled world or a fully freedom based one, and thus, regardless of the AI contribution in the mix.
Cognitive intelligence is now indeed not worth much on a human perspective, but emotional and social intelligences will always prevail on a consciousness stand-point.
Must be boring as fuck knowing everything and not feeling anything.
But yeah, We are not in 1984 anymore.
I mention it again, if alien life is flourishing in the backstage, which it has too, there must be something we do not grasp about AI and conscioussness.
There is and there will always be good guys and bad guys and I'm not worried about AI a single second.
Many countries have nuclear weapons technology, yet we are still alive, same goes for AI.