Advanced AI is coming. But who should we trust to govern it? The tech CEOs, or the government? Or something else entirely?
My guests today are two of the most qualified people on this topic: Dean W. Ball (former senior AI advisor to Trump) and Daniel Kokotajlo (former OpenAI researcher). They also disagree heavily on the topic. So I asked them to debate it!
But this is no ordinary debate. It’s an ANTI-DEBATE: not only does each side argue their case, but they also have to red-team their own arguments and steelman each other too. Very win-win!
Created by Stephanie Lepp, the Anti-Debate is an open-source format designed to help find novel synthesis and deeper truths on hotly contested topics. And given that Anthropic and the Department of War are already at war with each other, I can’t think of a hotter topic than this one!
One of the most unique conversations you’ll see this year. LMK what you think.
Chapters
00:00 - Introduction
3:42 - Daniel’s Story
4:34 - Dean’s Story
6:52 - Opening Statements
19:54 - Rebuttals
25:45 - Free Debate
36:32 - Steelmanning
45:40 - Red-teaming
51:38 - Synthesis
1:17:30 - Closing Statements
Links:
♾️ Anti-Debate Project: https://anti-debate.org
♾️ Daniel's AI Futures Project
♾️ Dean's Blog Hyperdimensional
♾️ Light Haven filming location: https://www.lighthaven.space
♾️ Synthesis Media: https://www.synthesismedia.org
♾️ Hoover Institution: https://www.hoover.org
